—“Upon what foundation then did the progenitors of civilisation, Greece then Rome, build itself?”—
We evolve a means of production, and a means of military competition under that means of production, an organization to manage both, and a narrative to justify both, so that we can reduce the cost and opportunity for conflict in order to maintain those strategies. Every civilization’s strategy is fairly easy to express in those terms.
European civilization in mediterranean, continental, north sea, and Atlantic eras continue the aristocratic egalitarian tripartite trifunctional organization, and the old military strategy, old law (legal), old myths (social), philosophical, and theological (political) varying little other than the replacement of the ancient warrior-hunter-farmer heroic religion with the medieval farmer-peasant submissive religion of christianity. But given tripartism and trifunctionalism the law and the military remains constant and the church rise and fell. Today the new church is again semitic, with islam, judaism, marxism, postmodernism, feminism, and denialism, in competition with our traditional masculine hierarchical markets and law.
—“Are not their successes constituted of the virtues they upheld?”–
Virtues are excuses for the group competitive strategy we rarely if ever know. Values persist because they persist the competitive strategy. values can be undermined. Judiasm, christianity, marxism, postmodernism, and feminism sought to undermine european values and succeeded because women are vulnerable to the false promise and men are vulnerable to satisfying the demands of women unless in continuous competition with other males.
Our natural ancestral religion upon which our civilization is founded is one of chaotic gods we compete, cooperate, and trade with – not one we are submissive to. These gods of warriors, whether the greek, roman, germanic pantheons. The church sought to supplant them with submissive gods of slaves who were docile in their fear and ignorance – and who the church could extract revenue from by rent seeking.
Submission to gods so that one is devoid of responsibility is a christian innovation, achieving its zenith in islam. This is why it is seductive. Devotion to gods so that one is free of status pressure is not a christian innovation. It is even more seductive. Submission to scripture so that one is free of continuous calculation for which one may fail or be subject to blame is semitic innovation. It is seductive as well. These seductions are successful and they are the opposite of the aryan demand for non submission and non-alienation of rights and responsibilities, including pursuit of status, achievement, and innovative reason.
The church failed the aristocracy succeeded, and we have not yet found a means of accommodating christianity in its decline, while producing a non-false religion. We are in a time of transition. Either the second dark age of the jews will succeed, the second dark age of the muslims, or we will discover a means of combining our three religions chistian(feminine), heathen-nature(familial), pagan-hero(masculine), and aristotelian(judicial), or at least exchanging loyalty between the three, so that we are not subject to a second semitic dark age.
So we are still and will always be a triparite people: Scientific and Legal and heroic (agency), Philosophical and practical for the able, theological and submissive for the less able or more sensitive to conflict and social pressure (or the dysfunctional who confuse their spiritual accommodation of reality with reality itself.
—“What Christianity was there here?”–
What “here” are you referring to?
—“When you come to Christians asking not the renunciation of their faith but merely loyalty, remember that this is all the Romans first asked of the Christians too.”—
Our ancestors came to jews. Who we were too tolerant of, just as we are too tolerant of islamists, jews, marxists, postmodernists, feminists and science denialists. And because of our tolerance the jews used false promise, to bait our people into hazard, causing a dark age of ignorance and poverty and disease and suffering only aristotelian thought reversed, and ended the centuries of corruption by the church. Corruption not seen by americans until the prosecution of the deviancy of catholic churches, because protestants have forgotten the corruption of the church prior to the reformation, and the personalization of the relationship between the individual and god first, and the individual and jesus second – due largely to american evangelical protestants.
—“Remember, it wasn’t the strange and foreign beliefs of the Christians that first caught the attention of the Romans, but rather their abstention from community.”—
It was the use of christianity to undermine greco roman civlization just as islam, judaism, marxism, postmodernism, feminism, and their science denialism is used to undermine european civilzation for the past century and a half.
Sol invictus was the migration of roman religion from zeus-jupiter. Mithras was the migration of the persian version of Mithra – the perfect man. Christianity was invented by using the victim-narrative and the promise of life after death, in stead of the Zeus-Sol-Mithra character we should aspire to be, and the jesus narrative invented so that it could replace the Epic Cycle (Homer) which had conquered and was about to erase the semitic world.
Judaism, christianity, ad islam were invented by the poor ignorant desert peasantry as a means of using the female group strategy of undermining by gossip, to overthrow the invention of markets, law, reason, merit, and transcendence of man into gods.
And I am, like my predecessors, trying once again to prevent another semitic dark age – by accommodating christians.
Christians who have not yet converted christianity into a hearth religion. But are very close to having done so.
If not for the invasion by jews, muslims, and the underclasses – because of christian tolerance – we would have had the time for christianity to evolve, and science to falsify the marxists, postmodernists feminists and difference-denialists.
So we are in a position where I must, or at least, someone of ability must, try to discover a vehicle for unity at faster pace than would naturally evolve.
If not for immigration I would not need to do this work. Because science has solved the lies.
But false promise to the vulnerable is seductive and spreads more quickly than we can stop it.